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Mull of Kintyre Chinook disaster.

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  • Mull of Kintyre Chinook disaster.

    Let us pause for a moment today and remember the largest loss of life suffered by the security forces in one incident during Op Banner.

    Col Christopher Biles OBE Staff (Ex D&D)
    Lt Col George Williams MBE QGM MiD IC
    Lt Col Richard Gregory-Smith IC
    Maj Richard Allen RGBWR
    Maj Christopher Dockerty PWORY
    Maj Anthony Hornby MBE QLR
    Maj Roy Pugh MBE IC
    Maj Gary Sparks RA
    Maj John Tobias MBE IC

    Flt Lt Richard Cook RAF
    Flt Lt Jonathan Tapper RAF
    MAc Graham Forbes RAF
    Sgt Kevin Hardie RAF.

    Assistant Chief Constable John Fitzsimmons MBE
    Detective Chief Superintendent Desmond Conroy QGM BEM
    Detective Chief Superintendent Maurice Neilly
    Detective Superintendent Philip Davidson
    Detective Superintendent Robert Foster
    Detective Superintendent William Gwilliam
    Detective Superintendent John Phoenix Ex Para Reg
    Detective Chief Inspector Dennis Bunting
    Detective Inspector Stephen Davidson
    Detective Inspector Kevin Magee

    The following were all members of British Security Services:

    Martin Dalton
    John Deverell CB MBE
    Charles Fitzsimmons
    John Haynes MBE MiD Maj (rtd) IC
    Anne MacDonald
    Michael Maltby.

    Rest easy all.
    Jock2413
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    Last edited by Jock2413; 02-06-2016, 04:07 PM.
    You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.

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      RIP all. Ever Remembered
      “Some must be warriors, that others may live in peace. ”
      ― Mercedes Lackey

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        Visit tree 49/189 @ the NMA and say hello.

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          Be who you are and say what you feel...
          Because those that matter, don't mind.
          And those that mind, don't matter!

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            The cream of British Intelligence in Northern Ireland. The question to ask is why were they all together in the same aircraft. Yes, they were all going to the same meeting, but surely with the risk of terrorist attack or as happened, a fatal accident, it was unwise to put all your eggs in the same basket so to speak.
            You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.

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              Laid to rest in West Tanfield, Yorkshire.
              Visit tree 49/189 @ the NMA and say hello.

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                We have some of them and working on getting the rest. Got a lead on Lt Col Williams. This man was a real hero, made an MBE, awarded the QGM and was Mentioned in Despatches so he was no desk jockey.
                You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.

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                    R.I.P. all + 10
                    79 Squadron RCT The most Elite regiment of the british army


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                      According to the pilot who did the RIC Flight over the crash site, there was a reason for going to Scotland but it had little to do with intelligence.
                      Time to spare, go by air!

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                        Major R Allen RGBW.jpg
                        Major Richard Allen is located in Tidworth Military Cemetery.
                        I knew him as OC A coy 1WFR- he was DERR attached to us in Cyprus and he left when we returned to Tidworth in 1993.
                        1WFR was South Armargh 6 months tour (ARB) when the chinook crashed. I believe he was cremated and the "military rules" don't allow for a full head stone if the individual has been cremated.
                        The location of his stone is on the left hand side (near to the entrance) of the cemetery. There is a small section for cremations. 3rd row right hand side, last stone - nearest to the road.

                        Here's a bit of more about him..
                        http://www.farmersboys.com/Roll_of_H...en_Richard.htm

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                            Without wishing to sound at all disrespectful for any of the Chinook victims, from the pictures of the crash scene I think they were all cremated at the scene by the resultant fireball. If so that fact alone could prove difficult in tracking down resting places.
                            "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.”
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                              I got Maj Allen's stone a few years ago along with several others from earlier in the conflict that are laid to rest in Tidworth Military Cemetery.
                              I think the flat stone for cremations only applies to Military Cemeteries as I have a few others from this disaster who have normal MoD stones.
                              Locating cremation markers in public cemeteries is a bit of a nightmare because you have to pay for them, then pay for a renewal every 5 years or so. So a marker/tree with a plaque that was there say 20 years ago, may no longer be there because the renewal fee wasn't paid for whatever reason. Tragic I know, but a fact of life. Parents pass away, siblings move abroad etc.
                              There was a case a while back where the location was found but the marker had been removed. Enquiries revealed that the bill had not been paid. The appropriate Unit Veterans Association was contacted and the money was paid and the marker plaque replaced. I know most if not all of you will say that the fallen lad had paid the bill with his life, but most cemeteries are private companies and as they say in the commercial world "nothing for nothing"
                              But that's just one case out of how many out there.
                              You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back.

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